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A (female) friend sent me a link to this blog entry: http://weblogs.asp.net/rchartier/archive/2004/04/25/119955.aspx, and I had to comment. 

Not to beat up Rob at all, I agree with him that quotas are unfair.  But I think there is a real issue around diversity in technology (and most other places in life).  I tend to think of it as the PLU problem.  Folk (including MVPs) tend to connect best with folks most like them ("People Like Us").  In this case, male MVPs pick other men to become MVPs.  It's just human nature.

As one reply notes, diversity is good.  I'd go as far as to say it's awesome, amazing, priceless.  But it's hard to get to -- the classic chicken and egg problem -- if you rely on your natural tendancies alone.  In that case, if you want more female MVPs to be invited you need more female MVPs.  If you want more Asian-American MVPs to be invited you need more Asian-American MVPs, etc.  And the (cheap) way to break a new group in is via quotas.

IMO, building diversity via quotas is bad because they are unfair.  Educating folks on why diversity is awesome and how to build it is the right way to go, but also far more costly.  Hopefully conversations like the one on Rob's blog help the MVP community understand how diversity happens a little better.

Diversity != Quotas
Diversity is recognizing that your natural human tendancy to favor PLU is cutting you off from a lot of great ideas, and doing something about it.

That's my 2 cents, as a female technologist working exclusively with Microsoft technologies.  BTW, no one has ever asked me to be an MVP... does that mean I'm not up to snuff technically?  I doubt it. ;-) 

Susan

posted on Monday, April 26, 2004 10:33 AM
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  • # re: Diversity is a choice
    AndrewSeven
    Posted @ 4/26/2004 11:38 AM
    Some sanity :)

    The solution is to get more of group X involved in the industry, not to reduce the requirements if the person happens to be from group X.

    The top 1% of 5 million is always going to be bigger than the top 10% of 100,000.

  • # re: Diversity is a choice
    Kevin Daly
    Posted @ 4/26/2004 12:38 PM
    There is another solution to the PLU problem: expand people's sense of "Us". It's actually a very flexibile thing (notice the way groups fight amongst themselves but will under certain circumstance unite against an outsider they perceive as more alien).
    The thing I found most affecting about the Y2K celebrations was that for 24 hours there was a palpable, worldwide sense of "We".
    The point I'm making is that if they once manage to improve the diversity of MVPs the situation will then become self-sustaining, not because members of individual groups will tend to invite people like themselves (which is a negative approach), but because the *whole group's* perception of what "like us" means will stretch to accommodate the newly included.
    To quote a shampoo ad that used to be on TV here (it's considered funny in NZ for complicated reasons) "It won't happen overnight, but it *will* happen".
  • # re: Diversity is a choice
    Justin Lovell
    Posted @ 4/26/2004 2:11 PM
    I agree -- quota's are bad. Especially for team based exercises. Believe it or not, they wanted to put quota's on some of South Africa's teams for rugby and cricket. Now you start excluding worthy (worthier) players from the games.

    But the reason that I specifically pointed out those sport codes is that you will generally find that less black players (not trying to be racist) that want to play the sports. They prefer soccer -- it is their "game" over here. Yes, there is diversity here (rainbow colored people can be found in all the sport codes) but the amazing thing is that the public said "no" to quotas. Why? Because they will want to have their best representing South Africa.

    If you want more women as MVP's, here is a challenge to all the female MVP's: get more women inspired to work alongside the "geek" men. Get them involved in the profession so that there are more to choose MVP's from.
  • # re: Diversity is a choice
    Avonelle Lovhaug
    Posted @ 4/26/2004 9:23 PM
    As a chick programmer, I think my challenge is to encourage smart people to get into technology. I'm less concerned about their gender, and more interested in working with fun, cool, intelligent people.

    And in that sense, I don't mind a little less diversity. Does that make me a snob? Probably. But I'm getting too old to work with losers who waste time and energy being jerks. Please understand, I'm not talking about less experienced developers or newbies. I'm talking about self-centered creeps who aren't very smart or talented. Let's use some quotas to filter them out.
  • # re: Diversity is a choice
    Susan
    Posted @ 4/27/2004 10:03 AM
    "losers who waste time and energy being jerks"

    LOL, Avonelle, finally a valid use for quotas! But isn't this a better application for zero tolerance? ;)
  • # re: Diversity is a choice
    Avonelle Lovhaug
    Posted @ 4/27/2004 2:46 PM
    Absolutely! Especially since it is often times difficult to figure out who the jerks are until after they are in the cubicle next to you.
  • # re: Diversity is a choice
    Terri Morton
    Posted @ 4/28/2004 7:27 PM
    Justin - I would expand that challenge to female MVPs even further. I think all MVPs should challenge themselves to help foster diversity in the developer community. That's a huge challenge, and I've been giving a lot of thought to it since the Summit, but nothing brilliant has come to mind.
  • # re: Diversity is a choice
    Eric Landes
    Posted @ 5/17/2004 6:53 PM
    I would challenge the basic concept of diversity here. Our world is way to caught up in groupism. I'm a WASP, you're an African American etc. Personally, I want a diversity of smart people for my software team. And that diversity is about peoples opinions and experiences, and ability, not about the color or gender.

    I suppose I could say that short guys are under represented in professional basketball. Does that mean we should make a special effort to recruit short people (under 5'8") into the NBA?
  • # re:Diversity is a choice
    湿度测控仪
    Posted @ 4/10/2005 7:06 AM
    ^_^,Pretty Good!
  • # Cognitive Diversity
    Coding Horror
    Posted @ 5/5/2005 12:23 AM
    A few months ago there was a little brouhaha about lack of diversity in weblog authors, which caused a few ripples. Julia Lerman asks the same question about software development in a recent interview: I think that the lack...
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